Hey everybody this is God's sad for the sad truth about three months ago I had

headed off to a public library very beautiful public library close to my house to hang out with my daughter who had to study for her exams.

And as I was looking around in a section where some of my books are housed, you know, we're all a bit egotistical. We go to check whether a particular library is carrying

our books. Well, close to my book, the parasitic mind, this one, was this beauty right here.

Free speech, a history. this one was this beauty right here.

Free speech, a history from Socrates to social media by Jacob Mshangama.

And I started to read it there.

I got to, I think, page 22. And as I got to I think page 22 and as I got home that day I wrote to Jacob and after a few months of going back and forth I have him here

Welcome Jacob how you doing?

Thank you, God.

Thanks so much for having me.

I've really looked forward to this discussion.

And by the way, your pronunciation of my last name is the best I've heard.

So, thanks.

That's a high compliment, thank you.

So let me just mention to people who you are

and then we'll get going.

So you're a lawyer, originally from Denmark, a lawyer and a human rights activist. You are the CEO of the think tank. Justicia, is that, is that, how's that for the pronunciation? That's okay? Research professor at Vanderbilt University. the

Pronunciation Research Professor Professor at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee Senior Fellow at Fire,

the Foundation of Individual Rights and Expression.

Greg Lucayaniov is someone that I know well. expression. that was held last year on academic freedom and he was one of my early guests on the

show maybe seven eight years ago and I recently met his co-author on the latest book I was

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