Mustafa Suleyman: The AGI Race Is Fake, Building Safe Superintelligence & the $1M Agentic Economy | EP #216
Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
PHD Ventures
4.8 • 605 Ratings
🗓️ 16 December 2025
⏱️ 85 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | What's the mandate from Satya? Is it win AGI? |
| 0:03.0 | I don't think there's really a winning of AGI. I'm not sure there's a race. |
| 0:07.0 | One of the OGs of the AI world, Mustafa Salimand is the CEO now of Microsoft AI. |
| 0:13.0 | He spent more than a decade at the forefront of this industry before we even had gotten to feel it in the past couple of years now. |
| 0:22.6 | Fundamentally, the transition that we're making is from a world of operating systems, |
| 0:28.6 | search engines, apps and browsers to a world of agents and companions. |
| 0:34.6 | We're all going as fast as we possibly can, but a race implies |
| 0:39.0 | it's zero sum. It implies that there's a finish line. And it's just like not quite the right |
| 0:44.0 | metaphor. As we know, technologies and science and knowledge proliferates everywhere, |
| 0:48.6 | all it runs at all scales, basically simultaneously. Are you spending a lot of your energy, |
| 0:54.0 | compute human power on safety? |
| 0:57.0 | Yeah, no, I mean... |
| 1:00.0 | Now that's the Moonshot, ladies and gentlemen. |
| 1:05.4 | Everybody, welcome to Moonshots. I'm here with DB2 and AWG and Mustafa Soleiman, the co-founder of Deep Mind, Inflection AI, and now the |
| 1:14.8 | CEO of Microsoft AI. Welcome, my friend. Good to have you here. Thank you for making time for us. |
| 1:21.7 | Thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm excited to do this. Yeah, it's, you know, what you've been building |
| 1:26.8 | with Satya is amazing. And it's hard to believe that Microsoft is 50 years old. And it's reinvented itself so many times. And for the last five years, it's been, you know, at the top of the game, the most valuable company in the world, 250,000 employees, and for what I understand, 10,000 |
| 1:46.8 | employees now under you. So a few, you know, important questions I want to open with. First, |
| 1:54.2 | some broad context. You're building inside a massive company with huge resources, probably arguably more than almost |
| 2:02.9 | everybody else. And the question I have is, what's the end goal here? You've got all the |
| 2:11.1 | hyperscalers sort of providing open access to AI, and they're doing sort of a land grab, |
| 2:16.7 | trying to get as many users as possible. |
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