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Hello, and welcome to Decoder. I'm Nilai Patel, editor-in-chief of The Verge, and

Dakota is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today I'm talking with Liz Lapato, who spent

the last month covering the Musk v. Altman trial and all of its chaos. You'll hear her describe

the courthouse's zoo and explain that there are protests of one kind or another happening outside

every single day. Both Elon Musk and Sam Altman are big personalities, and people have lots

of feelings about both of them in the AI industry. And somehow, after all of this, nothing really

happened. The jury found that Elon had filed his lawsuit after the statute of limitations had

run out. You'll hear Liz explain exactly why the jury had to find that and what else is going on here.

Beyond the technicalities of the statute of limitations, this trial was nominally about

opening eyes conversion to a for-profit entity from a non-profit one.

And if the way open eye went about that conversion cost Elon Musk money.

But I think we all know this case was really about Elon Musk being mad at Sam Alman,

or at Open AI for being successful without him, and wanting Sam and the company punished in some way.

So in a room full of very emotional, untrustworthy, unreliable narrators all fighting with each other,

did anyone even have a reputation left to lose? Is there a floor here for the AI industry? Liz has a lot of thoughts here. I always enjoy having her on the show. Here's Liz Lapato on Musk v. Alt chaos reporter here at Theverge.com.

You just covered the Sam Altman, Elon Musk trial. Welcome to the coder.

Always a pleasure to be here. I feel like it's always some new relatively insane thing that we're talking about.

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