Musk and Altman go to court

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🗓️ 28 April 2026

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Elon Musk's case against OpenAI is heading to trial. Musk is almost certainly going to lose, but he might still get everything he wants from the fight. The Verge's Liz Lopatto explains how this spat made it this far, and where it's going next. After that, The Verge's Sean Hollister tells us about the latest products from Framework, including the company's coolest laptop yet — and a keyboard for couch potatoes. Finally, Sean helps David answer a question from the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com!) about the Surface Go and other small PCs, which might be due for a comeback. Further reading: Musk vs. Altman is here, and it’s going to get messy Mark Zuckerberg lies about content moderation to Joe Rogan’s face A look at the evidence of Elon Musk’s lawsuit against Open AI Framework announces Laptop 13 Pro, ‘the MacBook Pro for Linux users’ Framework is building a better couch keyboard because everyone hates the Logitech one Framework’s first OCuLink eGPUs hack its laptop into a desktop PC Microsoft Surface Go review: a little goes a long way Subscribe to The Verge for unlimited access to theverge.com, subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our ad-free podcast feed.We love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to vergecast@theverge.com or call us at 866-VERGE11. (Timestamps are approximate.) 00:00:00 Rabbit R1 Returns 00:05:00 Musk vs OpenAI 00:07:00 What the Lawsuit Claims 00:11:00 Musk Motives and Remedies 00:16:00 Discovery Dirt and Strays 00:22:00 Altman Reputation Stakes 00:28:00 Risks for Musk and IPO 00:37:00 Framework Laptop Pro 00:41:00 Battery Life and Specs 00:43:00 Display Specs Upgrade 00:44:00 Battery And Memory Gains 00:45:00 Modular Upgrades Promise 00:50:00 Transparency And Community 00:53:00 Who This Laptop Is For 00:54:00 Linux First Developer Pitch 00:56:00 Pricing And Value 01:01:00 Couch Keyboard Upgrade 01:13:00 Vergecast Hotline Tiny Laptops 01:16:00 Arm Chip Revolution Explained 01:22:00 Wrap Up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Vergecast, the flagship podcast of CEO Group Chats.
0:05.6	I'm your friend David Pierce, and here's a sentence I don't think I ever thought I would say again.
0:09.4	I'm using the Rabbit R1.
0:11.2	So if you remember, two years ago or so, this device was part of a huge run of these supposedly
0:18.6	standalone AI devices, right?
0:20.2	The Humane Pin was probably the biggest,
0:22.4	most buzzy one. But this became like the darling of CES, because its big idea was we're going
0:27.9	to use AI to do things on your behalf. We're going to supplant the smartphone. This is going
0:32.1	to be the future of everything. It wasn't. All of these devices, including this one, were very
0:36.6	bad and couldn't do anything, and we
0:38.4	all kind of left them behind.
0:39.8	But in the two years since then, two things have happened that I think are really interesting.
0:44.1	One, the world has kind of come around to what this device, the R1, is trying to be.
0:49.5	Way back when Rabbit was talking about this idea of a large action model, which is essentially
0:53.4	just agentic AI, teaching AI systems to go do things on your behalf. The tech across the board for
0:59.8	all of that is still fairly primitive, and for the most part, you want to do it on your smartphone
1:03.9	anyway. But Rabbit's big idea about how AI might work was actually pretty prescient and ahead of
1:10.1	its time in that sense.
1:11.6	The other thing is, genuinely kudos to the Rabbit team. They just kept working on this thing.
1:16.2	They redesigned the interface. They built a bunch of new apps. But the one that has really made
1:21.1	this thing useful for me again is the magic recorder. And basically all this thing does is
1:26.5	record audio. There's a pretty good
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