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You're listening to Sound Opinions and this week where we're visiting our interview with

music supervisor Susan Jacobs. I'm Jim D. Rigatis and I'm Greg Kot. But first we're back to our

conversation about Malcolm McLaren. We first aired our interview with Paul Gorman about his

biography of Malcolm McLaren in 2020. Today we're revisiting it because of Danny Boyle's new show

Pistol featuring McLaren as a prominent character and while the show isn't exactly a critics pick,

it's about 56% on Rotten Tomatoes Greg. Paul's book is a hit with at least these two critics.

Let's go back to that interview for a deeper look at the man behind the myth Malcolm McLaren.

We want to welcome British journalist Paul Gorman to the show. His new book is called The Life

and Times of Malcolm McLaren. Greg, I think it has the distinction of being the heaviest book we

have ever talked about on Sound Opinions. It is quite an accomplishment, Paul, and cyclopedic,

but gripping. Welcome to the show. Well, it's good to be here. Well, thank you. You know,

why don't we start at the obvious place? Malcolm McLaren, why is he worth 860 odd pages of biography?

You know, because it's a name, let's face it, that many people won't even know unless they're

of a certain age, knowing him as the spiky-haired redhead who steered the steered in quotes,

the career of the Sex Bistels. Right. What drew to this subject? Well, because I didn't think that

really his contribution to pop culture and the wider culture had been recognized in the right way.

I think he was partially to blame for this because, you know, he dubbed himself in the Sex

Bistels biopic The Embedler. So he kind of painted himself into a corner as this kind of caricature

manager, evil manager and manipulator of the media and the people who were his charges. When

in fact, that was a position he took. You know, I got to know him later in life and he was quite

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