I went from MCA, left there, went to Def Jam, spent 11, seven years there, which we had an amazing

run of talent that came through. T.J. Kallik came through. Young GZ came through.

Rick Ross came through. Viana came through. Leo came through. Def Jam.

I mean, Def Jam, eh, that came through.

And what did you do for Def Jam? What was your role?

I was the Senior Vice President of Promotion.

Senior Vice President of Promotion. So I was on you to promote the...

Correct. A radio hitsman. A radio hits guy.

And three, two, one.

You're listening to The Real Social Proof Podcast with Mr. Sleegers for Suck Us Himself, David Shand.

Let's get it. Welcome to another edition of The Social Proof Podcast where we find dope people

that do really, really dope stuff. In this guest today has been doing dope stuff

for years. You are like decades. Like, you are responsible for the soundtracks of people's

lives. Maybe not all, but you've touched something that affected somebody that's listening to that.

We got Vinnie Pugh here, guys. Round of applause. Thank you.

All right, so Vinnie, I was telling you earlier, I was talking to my boy DJ EFEE,

he went to school together with my boy. And I was like, God, and I was, when you're, I don't

know if it's your publicist or reached out, we're telling me about the book. I was like, well,

I don't know a whole lot about the music industry. So let me call somebody who does. So I call

E and I drop your name. And he said, yo, he's a gatekeeper. He's an OG. He's one of those people,

like, you really, really have to get approval for him. And I was like, yo, this is interesting.

For somebody like him, who has been in the business for a long time to big you up like that,

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