Hey y'all. A while back just after releasing the episode called Johnny and Lisa, I got together with Bob Mata from the great podcast called Defense Diaries, and we talked about the case and some of the details about it. This is that chat that we had. We cover this case and, man, I'm telling you, every time we get to chatting, it just keeps going.

We'll end up talking about a little bit of everything in it.

All of our conversations are fun and yes, we do keep on topic.

But we almost always end up talking about other things too.

That's what we did in this episode.

The main focus is the Johnny and Lisa case,

so if you haven't listened to that episode yet, go ahead and stop this one and go back and listen

to it and then come right back after, and you'll get some extra insight on it. I originally

released this for Patreon a bit ago. If you're not over on Patreon,

you can expect to have stuff like this and more.

Just really good stuff.

And I love getting on and talking cases with Bob.

So without doing a solo version of what me and Bob do,

I'll go ahead and play what I have.

Y'all have a good one.

All right, welcome back to the show, y'all, and we've got a good guest with us today,

Bob Monna, which we've had on the show before, and we're going to talk about a pretty

screwed up-ass case.

Yeah, it's a pretty, it's a weird one, man.

Like, the fact pattern is really weird on it.

And what's up brando

uh good to hang again man yeah yeah i always love hanging out with you talking with you all that kind of

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