As The Remnant kicks back into gear, we figured it would be best to let Jonah make his trek back to D.C. and instead treat you to a secret artifact from a few days after the election. This is a conversation between Jonah and AEI emeritus scholar Charles Murray on the state of libertarianism and liberalism (both of the “small-l” variants) in the aftermath of November 2020. Murray explains why he’s pessimistic, while he and Jonah also extol the virtues of a Madisonian system, and upon reflection, they both relish in being on the right side of the debate that character is indeed destiny in the political realm: “The idea that the United States can continue to be … exceptional without character being a leading principle is ridiculous—it can’t happen.” Show Notes: -Fusionism -John Adams: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” -Eric Voegelin on how lapses into fanaticism occur -Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010 -Misreading Adam Smith -Miracle At Philadelphia: The Story of the Constitutional Convention Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices