Boom we're on. Today's guest. We've got two great men, Tony Arjun.

Yeah, nice James. Good to see you again, Tony. Kev, how are you, brother? Yeah, good, thanks.

So this is something totally different that I've done.

We've got former criminal, a man who spent over 20 years in prison for murder, try to change his life. I've interviewed nearly 200 people. You're one of the best guys I've ever met. Thank you, James. I appreciate that. Thank you. There's something real about you and I can see that you're trying to change.

Thanks, man.

Kev's obviously lived that life as well.

Armed robber.

Sold drugs.

Done a lot of bad shit.

Spent time in practice. There's something real about you and I can see that you're trying to change. Thanks, man. Kev's obviously lived that life as well.

Armed robber.

Sold drugs, done a lot of bad shit.

Spent time in prison.

Now you're a pastor.

Try to heal people, change lives.

I just think we're used two guys connecting.

I think something special can happen here.

Yeah, definitely.

First of all, guys, how have you been?

Oh, God. Yeah, all right.

Yeah, just getting on with things and working and, you know, a lot of stuff we do with the church and stuff as well. So, yeah, pretty busy as always, maybe. Yourself, Tony, the last time you were on the podcast, over a quarter million views. Yeah. Everybody's sending love. Yeah, it's been nice. Yeah. And then I feel like I was getting somewhere.

And then, as you know, last week, my cousin was brutally raped and murdered. So that's been a massive shock. Yeah, like, really, really, done me. Sorry to hear that. Yeah, it's like, I don't want to go into detail about it, but RIP, Maria Rawlings, my cousin, we love you and I'll miss your loads and that's what I'm going to say about it because it's like, it's just devastated a lot of us, you know what I mean? The way she's been killed is just like, nothing I've ever heard of. It's worse than Jack the Ripper or Yorkshire Ripper. Apparently, he out of pieces left a naked at 47 years old outside of school it's just crazy yeah but yeah yeah it's weird sometimes and all you it's like when you all become the victims of what we do sometimes you become the victims not like because we say where but we wouldn't do't do that it's like we've got a bad thing where we go yeah but that's not us we don't do that we just do our own that's how bad our mindset is but it still affects you know it affects our any murder affects any other family you understand me you get you've had a taste of it and it's not nice. Does that affect you to and like for you doing a murder to then? Yeah. Even though you're getting murdered, does it then bring all the stuff that you've done up in the past, how those other families feel? Yeah, it feels like I feel like I'm not allowed to grieve because of what I am and I think I am allowed to grieve over it you got me?

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