Welcome to the Calm Down. My guests this week are the women of feminist folklore, our partner podcast at Skylark Media.

From the Brothers Grimm to Modern Urban Legends, each week Carly Hall Jensen and Rachel Marr consider what these stories can tell us about women's roles in different cultures and how they express society's beliefs about gender and sexuality.

Today we'll be discussing different interpretations

of the hookman tale, as well as the true crime stories of Lovers Lane, while we dissect the

phenomenon of the teenage urban legend, our very own oral tradition. We've already covered the

panic. Now, here's the Calm Down. All right, I am here with Rachel Marr and Carly Hall Jensen

from Skylark Media's other podcast on the same network as American Histaria, and that is feminist

folklore. Hello to you both. Hi. Oh, hey there. I'm so excited that you both came on. I'm a huge

fan of feminist folklore, and I think there's so much that our shows do, even though your show is a talk-based conversational show and mine's a scripted show. We still cover the same kind of cultural criticism, cultural studies, types of things that folklore and things like urban legends both represent.

So I think today we're just going to be talking about kind of a little bit of the women's

perspective of some of these stories, especially the hook, urban legends in general, and just

the stories that teens tell.

So thanks for having us.

Yeah, we love contemporary legends. So, thanks for having. Yeah.

We love contemporary legends.

Those are like our favorite.

Carly and I just love telling us.

So thanks for having us on.

Well, I feel like you're going to lend a certain expertise that I'm very excited about. And we were just talking before we started, the actual recording here, that my introduction to urban legends, especially The Hook, and things like the babysitter and the man upstairs and the killer in the back seat came from scary stories to tell in the dark, which is that fantastic series of books that came out when we were kids.

And you all are in your early 30s, right?

Yep. And I'm 30. So we're coming at this from a pretty similar frame of reference. So you both

read scary stories of Tell the Dark growing up. Is that true? Absolutely. Yep. Favorite book,

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