Most of the defendants will be 25 or under and once I say that you will see

immediately what's been happening in our society. Somewhere along the line an

awful lot of people are going to walk out of prison who have spent decades

perhaps as long as they had lived out in the community. If we think they are

going to walk out and fit seamlessly back into society we're living in a

cloud cook who land but you want to know if I'm a man of the tree and I believe

that the purpose of the criminal justice system is to administer punishment and

and we as a society do seem to agree with that we punish people for committing

serious crimes by putting them in prison. What is the point of that? Why do we do that?

Hello and welcome to Trigononmy Trigon. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantine Kissinger.

And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating

people. A terrific guest down police to say is a recently retired old Bailey

judge and the author of a recent book called Unlawful Killings. Wendy Joseph

Casey welcome to Trigononmy Trigon. Thank you for having me. Oh it's such a

pleasure to have you on the show. I swallowed your book basically in an evening.

It was that good and we'll talk more about everything to do with that but

before we do tell everybody watching and listening who are you? How are you?

Where you are? What has been the journey through life that lead you to be sitting

here talking to us? Well it's quite a long journey so that's quite a big

question. I started off as an ordinary school kid down in Cardiff which is in

Wales, capital of Wales. I wanted to be a writer. That's what I wanted to do. I

went off to university to read English halfway through. My mum said to me

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