Hello and welcome to this week's We Are History, or is it We Are History, John? Oh, it could be

history, it could be a true crime podcast we're doing this week, Angela. Well, we're nothing,

if not bandwagon jumpers, John.

And I've heard that True Crime Podcasts be pretty well.

So I thought, let's have some of this action.

Well, we're going to take a very historical perspective on this murder mystery.

Yes, we are.

This is a mid-19th century murder mystery.

A pretty famous one now, thanks to TV series and books

that have been written about it. It is the murder at Road Hill House. 1860. I don't know why I said

it like that. Yeah, 1860. Actually, once you get into the detail, it's pretty grim, but until we tell

what people, what happens, we can do all that ghosty noises.

We can be all the, yeah, yeah, yeah, which is very hypocritical,

considering what we were saying about Jack the Ripper just a few episodes ago.

And now here I am going murder, but, road.

And you're like, a child didn't die.

So I think we should probably not lose sight of that.

John, you're very interested in this case, aren't you?

Because this case led to you spending a few nights in a hotel with Anne Whittaker.

This is true.

Before the best-selling book about this case, the murder at Road Hill House, came out.

So about 20 years ago, Channel 4 rang me out and said,

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