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A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know.

I guess you'd have to ask. Someone that has sex. Someone that has sex. Right. And remember,

it's just between us. Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast from BBC History Magazine, Britain's best-selling history magazine.

I'm Alecawthorthorne. In today's episode, we'll be delving into the murky history of murder,

with the lawyer and writer Kate Morgan. Kate is the author of a new book, Murder, the Biography,

which explores the legal history of homicide and some of the cases that have

contributed to UK murder law as we know it today. From Richard Parker, the cannibalised cabin

boy who was eaten by his hungry crewmates, to Ruth Ellis, the last woman to be hanged in

the United Kingdom. Kate spoke to BBC History Revealed editor, Charlotte Hodgman.

Kate, thanks so much for joining us today. Perhaps you could just start off by telling us a little

bit about the book, you know, why you wanted to write it and, you know, how you went about it.

Yeah, of course. Well, the inspiration for the book, really, from my points of view, came from

being a lawyer by background and as well as that being a bit of a true crime fan as well.

And I think when you watch all these documentaries and dramas, you know, we get very taken in

with the crime and what happens, but it just got me thinking about actually how much

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