This episode is brought to you by Shopify.

The All in One Commerce platform to start, run and grow your business,

whether you sell in flaky soul or buy not prints.

Shopify covers all your sales channels to simplify selling online and in person.

Plus, they provide industry leading tools and 24-7 supports we can not you grow.

This is Possibility powered by Shopify.

To sign up, visit shopify.co.uk slash podcast23 or lowercase.

I'm Mary. Whatcha been doing? If you listen to this show, you know what we do after Big Muller News.

I just thought it's been like the best part of my year devoted to watching, watching Muller Testimony.

I talked to Slate's Dolly Luthwick.

Before the year ends, you wrote this article that was like a curtain lifter.

You called these hearings a game of chicken between chickens.

Why? Partly because the image was so hilarious to me that I couldn't let it go.

My sense was that this was going to be a kind of standoff where House Democrats and Muller were each going to try to play this game of chicken

because somebody was going to say, okay, I'm taking responsibility.

And in a weird way, they were both too chicken to do that.

What was it a game of chicken between chickens or was it something else?

I mean, it depends on I think what you're deliverable is and I've never used that word in a sentence.

But I'm going to I'm just wacky after hours of testimony.

But I think if you expected a whole lot of hearts and minds to watch this, you know,

sort of summer movie spectacular with the helicopters and the blowing up.

Like, no, that didn't happen. Did anyone really think that was going to happen?

...