Hey, everyone.

You may notice, first of all, this is not the normal introduction because I just wanted

to give you a little heads up about the structure of this podcast.

You may have noticed there was no podcast last week.

That's because unfortunately got lost to the technology gods.

We were able to salvage about the first 15 minutes of it, which I think gave a good sense as to all our overall reactions to the episode.

So we're going to toss it to that first.

And then when that's done, we'll just kind of slide back into finishing up the conversation about last week. And then we'll do a full installment of the podcast this week. So let me fire it off. And we'll go back to the normal recording we had for episode 10. And we'll lead it off with that.

Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the challenge.

Vandettas or a hot podcast for episode 10. I am Brian Cohn. Here in me, as always is my co-host, Ali, Lashore. Ellie, how are you? I'm doing well, happy that this episode is this week, and you are here to discuss it. Not that I didn't love talking to Rourke, but I feel like you definitely have to be here this week.

Yeah, this is a big one.

I think this is, can we say level one challenge?

I think this week.

Yeah, this is a big one. I think this is, can we say level one challenge? I think this is it, right?

I didn't feel like it was level one challenge. Oh, I thought it was big time level one challenge.

The whole whole episode had me riveted. I found it like really difficult to watch at times and the parts that were not the difficult ones to watch. I found like overacted. So we'll see. Which ones were which? Was it

hard to watch? I like I think this is the difference that you find sympathy for people on these shows.

Like you sometimes do feel bad for people and I just always try to keep them in the prism of just these are TV characters. So I could, even though they're miserable and going through some horrible things like on my screen, I can just enjoy it and the entertainment for what it is. So, but that's not, that's like irresponsible, right? So like these, that's not the case. And it's not.'s not no no but so it's not that I feel and we'll get more into it it's not at all that I feel bad in this situation

I more was uncomfortable because of what a situation like it's almost like you know I haven't

watched it yet so I won't be spoiling anything but that new documentary like the push on Netflix where they're like seeing if they can

convince a normal guy to murder someone like I more felt like this was an exercise in what

a reality television show could like make some people become more than I like felt bad

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