#715: She grew up with a Goldman Sachs dad. She still ended up broke in her 20’s. Here's what changed. Haley Sacks - known online as Mrs. Dow Jones - joins us to talk about the five-step financial framework she calls IBIZA. Despite every advantage, she spent her twenties anxious, financially dependent, and charging dinners to her parents' credit card. One birthday trip to a Toronto restaurant crystallized the problem: she couldn't afford the life she wanted, so she borrowed someone else's money to fake it - and spent the rest of the night avoiding her phone while her mom texted about the charge. We talk about how money beliefs form by age seven, even when parents never say a word about finances. Haley's father had watched wealthy clients' children lose ambition and kept money out of the family conversation entirely. The lesson Haley absorbed anyway: money comes from outside yourself. The IBIZA framework walks through five steps - identify your earliest money memory, interrupt the patterns it created, zhuzh your mindset by replacing limiting beliefs, and act. The final step is tactical: a 15-minute timer, one small action, and a monthly money date to review spending and set goals. We also get into the concept of financial energy - the idea that you have a finite amount of mental bandwidth for money decisions each day. Spending it on coupons and skipping lattes leaves nothing left for the moves that actually build wealth: negotiating a raise, automating savings, maxing out tax-advantaged accounts. Haley also breaks down learned financial helplessness - the belief that the system is too broken to bother trying - and why pushing back against it puts you ahead of most people before you've done a single thing. Timestamps: Note: Timestamps will vary on individual listening devices based on dynamic advertising run times. The provided timestamps are approximate and may be several minutes off due to changing ad lengths. (00:00) — Your Childhood Is Running Your Bank Account (08:42) — Money beliefs form by age 7 (11:35) — Why financial independence matters (13:00) — The Momofuku story (17:04) — "Financial energy" — and why you're wasting it (24:35) — The IBIZA framework, explained (28:32) — I: Identify your money origin story (31:07) — "If you don't control your money, it controls your life" (32:31) — How pop culture shapes money beliefs (46:51) — I: Interrupt old patterns (54:24) — Learned financial helplessness (55:59) — Z: Zhuzh your mindset (59:06) — The Tyra Banks story (1:02:54) — A: Act — the 15-minute starter move (1:06:18) — The monthly money date Resource: Haley's book - Future Rich Person: The New Rules for Building Wealth (Even if You're Stuck, Broke, and that Billionaire Won't Text You Back...) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices