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Deadline: White House

“Moving the goalpost”

Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

Msnbc, News, Ms Now, Versant, Politics, Government, The White House, Nicolle Wallace, Daily News, Washington Dc

4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 2 December 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Nicolle Wallace is joined by colleague Rachel Maddow to discuss the latest White House position on the boat strike experts say may constitute a war crime – as well as her new podcast “Burn Order.”

Transcript

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0:00.0

Look who's here.

0:06.7

Hi there, everyone.

0:07.6

It's 4 o'clock in New York.

0:08.7

We have entered the moving the goalpost phase of the Trump administration's response to the fallout

0:13.6

from news of a double-tap boat strike in the Caribbean in which U.S. forces killed survivors

0:19.9

from an attack on an alleged drug trafficking vessel.

0:23.1

But experts from across the political spectrum believe may have been a war crime.

0:27.5

Defense Secretary Pete Heggseth today called it a matter of, quote, deterrence. Watch.

0:35.3

Deterrence has to matter, not arrest and handover and then do it again, the rinse and repeat

0:40.4

approach of previous administrations.

0:42.3

This is meant to get after that approach.

0:44.3

And I will just end by saying, as President Trump always has our backs, we always have the back

0:49.7

of our commanders who are making decisions in difficult situations and we do in this case and all these

0:55.2

strikes, they're making judgment calls and ensuring that they defend the American people.

1:00.5

They've done the right things.

1:01.7

We'll keep doing that.

1:03.0

And we have their back.

1:05.1

In which the Secretary of Defense comes out against arresting any survivors.

1:10.1

There's brand new reporting the Washington Post

1:11.9

on this story, and it reveals that military officials are today angry at comments like that.

1:16.8

They see it as an attempt to shift blame for the killing of those two survivors from the

1:21.2

Secretary of Defense, Pete Heggseth, to the commander overseeing the operation, Admiral Frank

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