Mousing at Night for Monster Brown Trout, with Joe Cermele

The Orvis Fly-Fishing Podcast

James Hathaway

Bass, Fishing, Bonefish, Wilderness, Flyfishing, Trout, How To, Steelhead, Bluegill, Fly, Orvis, Sports, Salmon, Panfish, Education, Rosenbauer

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🗓️ 28 July 2025

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Summary

My guest this week is Joe Cermele [40:00], who you may know from his podcast "Cut and Retie", or from his work over the years at Field & Stream as a writer and videographer. Joe loves hunting big trout, and one of his favorite ways of fishing for them is night fishing with mouse flies. Joe is always fun and informative and I know you'll enjoy this one.

In the Fly Box this week, we have some especially interesting questions, including:

If I get a 10-foot 5-weight rod for nymph fishing and tight line fishing, will I sacrifice anything when I want to fish with dry flies or streamers?
I keep breaking off large carp when they head for structure. Should I use something different than a surgeon's knot?
Where do I find past live fly-tying videos and your tie-offs with Tim Flagler and Cheech?
A listener who is also an aquatic toxicologist explains why smoke from fires may be deleterious to our rivers and lakes.
What can I do to keep googly eyes from falling off my streamers? And do streamers even need eyes to be effective?
Hiking the Appalachian Trail, should I take my 7 ½ foot 3-weight or 9-foot 5-weight?
Why did a hybrid rainbow/cutthroat I played quickly turn belly-up?
Do you think the fly-fishing culture should reflect more deeply on the morality of catch-and-release fishing?
Do you have any suggestions for fishing hatches after dark? I typically high-stick with a dry fly and listen for the rise.
When water warms up, do trout go into faster water to take advantage of the higher oxygen content?

Transcript

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0:00.0	Hi, and welcome to the Orvis Fly Fisher podcast.
0:13.7	This is your host, Tom Bouserbauer.
0:15.8	And my guest this week is Joe Sirmeli.
0:19.7	You probably know of Joe through his podcast,
0:25.2	cut and retire, and also Joe's work for many years with Field and Stream. Joe's
0:30.2	a freelance writer, and the topic is night fishing. Joe is someone who really likes to catch big trout. And Joe spent a lot of time
0:42.4	learning about night fishing, particularly in the eastern United States. And so he's sharing his
0:49.9	tips with us. Joe's always fun. He's always interesting, and I hope you enjoy the podcast
0:57.3	as much as I enjoyed talking to Joe.
1:01.7	And before we do the flybox, I wanted to tell you about something that product that I'm really, really fond of.
1:13.6	The ultralight waiters in boots, which are slightly less expensive than the pro
1:21.5	versions of waiters and boots.
1:24.0	And honestly, these have become my go-to waiters and boots for everything, not just
1:31.4	traveling, but day in and day out, I find myself reaching for the ultralight waiters and the
1:37.9	ultra-late boots. They have an obvious advantage if you're traveling because, you know,
1:43.7	particularly if you're going overseas or
1:45.5	you're going on a long trip, you've got clothing and flyboxes and things to pack, and you don't
1:50.8	want a lot of weight in there with the waiters and boots that you're packing. And these are going to
1:59.4	save you considerable weight and bulk in your packing.
2:04.1	But honestly, I love them for travel, but honestly I use them day in and day out unless I'm wet
2:10.9	waiting.
2:11.3	I've used them early in the season with some warm long underwear and underwaiter pants under them.
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