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Where Should We Begin? with Esther Perel

Mothering My Mother Into Mothering Me

Where Should We Begin? with Esther Perel

Esther Perel Global Media

Mental Health, Society & Culture, Self-improvement, Education, Health & Fitness

4.715.6K Ratings

🗓️ 1 December 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Since the age of 8, she’s been the one holding her mother together and shouldering adult responsibilities long before her time. Now, as an adult herself, she’s ready to step out of the caretaker role and invite her mother to finally be the parent. Esther helps her explore how to loosen these deeply entrenched dynamics and create space for a more balanced, reciprocal relationship. Esther Callings are a one time, 45-60 minute interventional phone call with Esther. They are edited for time, clarity, and anonymity. If you have a question you would like to talk through with Esther, send a voice memo to [email protected]. Producer’s Note: When our anonymous guests do a session with Esther for the podcast, it is an act of generosity for everyone who listens. These sessions are meant not only to support the people in the room with Esther, but all of us who learn from their stories. Our stories have many chapters, and what you hear is just one moment in someone’s journey. So even though the sessions are anonymous, please remember that real people are behind them and they may be reading your comments. Also, please join me on Entre Nous, my new home on Substack for anyone who wants to live, love, and work with more connection and imagination. I invite you to sign up and become a free or paid member at estherperel.substack.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, Esther. I'm speaking to you in hopes that we can talk about the relationship my mother and I have.

0:08.0

It's a complicated one, but simply put, I'm the mother in the relationship.

0:14.0

My mother was a product of an arranged marriage.

0:18.0

My parents love each other very much, but my mother is very sheltered growing up

0:24.2

and was married and had a child by 23 without much real-world experience herself. Then eight

0:34.5

years later, after years of emotional abuse from my paternal grandparents, my parents moved to America.

0:43.3

I quickly became the intermediary between the outside world and my mom.

0:49.3

My father, who was busy with work and providing for his family, had little time to spend with us.

0:57.2

And my mom, too incapable, my brother, too young, I became the emotional leader of my family.

1:06.1

I jokingly say I've been an adult since I was eight.

1:10.2

This parentification strained many relationships.

1:15.6

As I got older, I kept having hope that my mom and I could be both adults now, but that has also rarely happened.

1:23.6

Me and my dad have become the caretaker of her emotional needs.

1:31.2

And if I were to be very harsh, I would say that she sees herself as the victim in all of this.

1:37.8

The time that she had with her in-laws, not having the exposure to feel prepared for the outside world, not being able to speak English

1:47.9

confidently, all of it kind of becomes barriers to why she can't do something. And if I point out any of

1:56.6

these things and how they impacted her children, she gets defensive and even starts guilting,

2:04.6

you know, me so much so that it becomes my job to make her feel better. And this pattern keeps

2:11.8

repeating and I don't know how to confront this part of my relationship with her. I love her very much and I have a lot of empathy for what she's gone through and try my best

2:21.5

to like validate and understand her.

2:24.4

But this is also something that's the undercurrent of every interaction I have with her.

2:32.2

So any help to mend this part of our relationship would be very helpful.

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