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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

Most Replayed Moment: Brené Brown on Vulnerability, Self Esteem and The Four Skillsets Of Courage

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

FlightStory

Business, Society & Culture, Education

4.518K Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2026

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Brené Brown is a bestselling author and researcher who has spent decades studying why we struggle to be brave, open and truly seen. In this Moment, Brené unpacks why vulnerability feels so dangerous, how betrayal really happens, and the surprising catalyst of true self-love. Listen to the full episode here! Spotify: https://g2ul0.app.link/7mDUjlx5w3b Apple: https://g2ul0.app.link/9LQuVQz5w3b Watch the Episodes On YouTube: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/%20TheDiaryOfACEO/videos Brené Brown: https://brenebrown.com/

Transcript

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0:00.0

On that point about me and vulnerability, is vulnerability important?

0:08.4

Because there's a lot of performative vulnerability taking place.

0:10.8

For sure.

0:11.7

Is it an important thing for my health, happiness, my future, to be a vulnerable person?

0:16.7

Well, let's define it.

0:19.1

Vulnerability is the emotion we experience when we have, when we are up against uncertainty, risk, and emotional exposure.

0:28.3

So vulnerability is what I feel.

0:31.1

It's the cringe, the awkward, the thing that I, the emotion I feel in times of uncertainty, risk, or emotional exposure.

0:39.9

So it was really interesting because I had a hard time helping people understand because we're so

0:46.7

raised to believe that vulnerability is weakness that it took a trip to Fort Bragg working with

0:52.0

special forces to ask soldiers a question.

0:55.5

Give me a single example of courage in your life.

0:59.7

One example that you've witnessed or you yourself have done.

1:03.3

One example of courage that did not require uncertainty, risk, or emotional exposure.

1:09.6

No one could answer it. Finally, a young soldier stood up and said

1:12.9

three tours. There is no courage without vulnerability. So is vulnerability important? It is if we want to

1:19.1

be brave with our lives. If we want to be able to manage ourselves in a way that's values aligned

1:27.3

and courageous, we have to be able to reconcile

1:31.9

how we feel when we're uncertain at risk are exposed. I mean, and really, weirdly, the next week

1:40.5

after the trip to Fort Bragg, I was with the Seattle Seahawks, the football team, NFL team.

1:44.8

Yeah.

1:45.1

Ask the players.

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