What about hard work? Does it matter?

Well, since you ask it so simply, I'd say no.

Or it certainly is not the most important thing.

In fact, I think hard work leading to success is a myth.

And let me give you two examples, okay? The first is to qualify what I mean.

I work with a lot of, as he spoke earlier before we actually began the session,

about how younger people are different places in their life than older people,

especially with career and how they think about it.

And earlier in my life, I used to do triathlons.

You know, the races that combine swimming,

and then biking and then running.

And back when I used to do them,

they don't do it quite the same way anymore,

it would be a mass water start.

You have four or five hundred people

who are the gun sounds and all 500 of them plow into the water simultaneously.

Not a phase start.

And as you can imagine, it is a shit show.

You mean, you're getting kicked and your goggles are being knocked off and you're being held under water.

And you quickly realize that if you want to be able to survive in this mass start, you're going to sprint for those first four, five, six hundred yards to get yourself far enough in the front of the pack that you have open water.

And in my opinion, work life is kind of like that. When you're younger, when you don't really know what you're doing, when you have to go down

a lot of false ends because you're not sure the productive, you better work your ass off.

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