Hey everyone. Welcome to the Conversations That Matter Podcast. As you can see I have

some books behind me if you're watching. I am in my study. It's not complete yet. I won't show you the rest of it because it's kind of messy

but I appreciate your patience with me as I have not been able to put out content as regularly

but I think starting next week even though I have a lot more to do, at least my office will be set up.

I'll be able to have higher quality podcasts and more of them.

And I know I got a backlog. I know many of you are waiting for book reviews and you've some of you have

requested that I talk about certain things I haven't yet so I'm gonna I'm gonna try to

get to it as I can but but but this is kind of what's been going on in my life one of the things I'll mention

though I did happen to go out in a very enjoyable I haven't done this in a very long time but an

enjoyable camp out just one one night and then we went hiking yesterday and it was a needed slight break from all the other stuff I've been working on.

And the conversation came up with some people

about those who said that they would not take the experimental treatment that they you know weren't we're never

going to do that but then when the going got tough meaning their income was

going to be hit they would have to enjoy a lower standard of living, they decided to make a different choice and to go ahead and get it.

And it's discouraging for some people.

You want to see principled leaders especially, but even just friends,

principled people and they don't see it. And this kind of thing sparked a conversation about,

hey, what was it like when tyranny was much worse in the

20th century in certain areas of the world taking Germany for instance and you know

what happened during the beginning of the Nuremberg laws.

Why did people cave?

And one of the things that I think is important to remember is that that is

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