We agreed to the same rules, I don't know, doesn't matter to me, I'd rather have it probably

on, but the agreement was that it would be the same as it was last time. In that case, it was

muted. I didn't like it the last time. It was muted.

I didn't like it the last time, but it worked out fine.

I mean, ask Biden how it worked out, it was fine.

And I think it should be the same.

We agreed to the same rules, same rules and same specifications.

And I think that's probably what it should be.

But they're trying to change it.

The truth is they're trying to get out of it,

because she doesn't want a debate.

She's not a good debater.

She's not a smart person.

She doesn't want a debate.

So I think this issue is resolved unless Donald Trump allows his handlers to

overrule him. We'll have a fulsome debate between the two

candidates with live microphones where both candidates will be able to lay

out their vision for where they want to take this country.

Do you still plan to participate in the ABC's debate?

Well, you know, I watched this weekend, and it's the worst of all networks.

When I looked at the hostility of that, I said, why am I doing it? Let's do it with another network I want to do it so we're thinking about it. They also want to change the rules. You know the deal was we keep the same rules now all of a sudden they want to make a change in the rules because she can't answer questions.

Why not debate her?

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