I have been very, very direct with Secretary Stoltenberg and members of the Alliance in saying

that NATO members must finally contribute their fair share and meet their financial obligations.

I just want all of Europe to know that the United States is there.

The United States is there.

23 of the 28 member nations are still not paying what they should be paying

and what they are supposed to be paying for their defense.

I want to make it clear.

NATO is critically important for U.S. interest for their defense. I want to make it clear.

NATO is critically important for U.S. interest in and of itself.

If there weren't one, we'd have to invent one.

That's a little different, isn't it?

Just a smidge. Of course, I'll ask president when he would talk about the 2%, he spoke as if there was some big gigantic pot

yeah somewhere where everybody was throwing the money oh i've got it all their money yeah but

it just didn't work that way but i don't think you ever got that president Biden and former president

trump with starkly different messages to nato allies at each of their first NATO summits as president.

Good morning and welcome to morning. Joe. We're here in Washington. It is Tuesday, June 15th.

All this space. I don't know. Come on in. Really. Honestly.

What is the fear of open spaces? I mean, I got it. It's kind of exciting, actually, to see a camera.

And look, human beings. I was just telling Elizabeth, I sort of enjoyed the... Oh, he's a hermit. Howard Hughes thing, just, you know. Yeah, he sits there in a closet with the camera. Exactly. It's talking to Willie. Along with Joe Willie and me, we have. former chairman of the Republican National Committee in MSNBC political analyst Michael Steele. Good to see you. Good to see you. In person and columnist and associate editor for the Washington Washington Washington Bush and Bushes. David Ignatius. We've missed you. And New York Times, Washington Bureau Chief Elizabeth Bue Miller is with us.

You know, Willie, it's very frightening out here in the world in these big studios.

I mean, we're telling Phil Griffin 15 years ago, Phil, it doesn't matter where you are.

You can be in a closet, and if you deliver the content, everything works out all right.

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