Hello everyone welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name's Hank Smith. I'm your

host. I'm here with my endlessly happy co-host, John by the way and we're here with our incredible guest

Dr Sheldon Martin. John we are in Mormon 7 8 and 9 we're about to say goodbye

to our good friend Mormon and be introduced to his son

Maroni. What are you thinking going into this? Oh this is a

past the baton moment that it sounds like was completely unexpected and I marveled at

Morona is like is this my book now when you think of the actual people involved, it's quite a moment, isn't it?

Yeah. Yeah. It's stunning, I think, when you pick up in chapter 8, you're expecting to hear,

okay, what is Mormon going to say next and and all the sudden yeah

yeah it's not him. John like I said we have an incredible guest today his name is

Dr Sheldon Martin Sheldon as you've looked at these three

chapters, what are you thinking? One thing that stuck out to me is when Maroni

says I speak to you as if you're present. I think about when I was professionally

trained as a therapist you're taught, don't ever tell someone I know how you

feel, but to create empathy it's good to recognize when there is a certain feeling that you have

felt here's some of the phrases in these chapters that stuck out to me where my

experiences are different but I have felt some of these things like I even

remain alone I have not friends nor wither to. My father was also killed or the experience of loss. How long will the

Lord will suffer? And I'm thinking of I have felt many of those emotions and then we have these other great phrases where you have the remedy almost paired in as well.

He knoweth their prayers.

I will show unto you a God of miracles.

I have not experienced some of the challenges that Mormon and Maroni are facing in their world,

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