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Switched on Pop

Morgan Page Reveals the Rule of 3 in Julia Michaels and Maroon 5

Switched on Pop

Vox Media Podcast Network

Music Interviews, Music History, Music, Music Commentary

4.62.7K Ratings

🗓️ 16 June 2017

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Your brain can only hear three things at the same time. What you may not know is that musicians use this cognitive limitation to guide your listening all the time. Charlie and Nate are joined by Grammy Nominee music producer Morgan Page to reveal the secrets of this ubiquitous technique. Listening to Julia Michaels' hit "Issues," we unveil how the rule of three is used to draw our attention and keep us free from sonic distraction. And we look at how Maroon 5's "Cold" uses the same technique but creates an exceptionally different sound. Of course, it wouldn't be Switched On Pop if we didn't dig into the classical past to find out if this rule really holds up in the history of music. Featuring: Morgan Page - Fight My WayJulia Michaels - Issues Julia Michaels - Issues (Acoustic)Maroon 5 - Cold ft. FutureSkrillex - First Of The Year (Equinox)Ed Sheeran - Shape Of YouDJ Khaled - I'm The OneSelena Gomez - Bad LiarThe Beatles - When I'm Sixty FourArnold Schoenberg - Pierrot Lunaire - III - Der MondfleckDead & Company - Live at the Hollywood Bowl 6-1-17The Beatles - A Day In The LifeIke & Tina Turner: Deep River Mountain HighSwedish House Mafia - One Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:38.0

Welcome to Switchdown Pop. I'm songwriter Charlie Harding and I'm musicologist Nate Sloan.

0:43.0

And I am joined by Morgan Page, who is a Grammy-nominated DJ and music producer.

0:48.0

Welcome to the show. Hello, Morgan. Thanks for having me. Morgan Page in the house.

0:53.0

So Morgan, as a quick point of introduction, you are a Grammy-nominated music producer and world-renowned progressive house DJ.

0:59.0

And on top of making super-danceable club anthems, you're also extremely thoughtful about the process of making great music.

1:06.0

Thank you. I've been following your writing on music production for the last year or so.

1:10.0

And I wanted to invite you here today because I'm hoping that you'll unveil one of the most prevalent elements in music that is seemingly ubiquitous,

1:20.0

but also totally in disguise. You call it the Rule of Three.

1:25.0

What is this Rule of Three and why is it so powerful?

1:32.0

So the first time I heard about the Rule of Three was visiting Jack Joseph Pug studio at Oceanway.

1:37.0

There was a Grammy tour and he has this incredible Willie Wonka-esque studio with every mixer and compressor, every device in the universe,

1:46.0

in the audio universe. And he told me about the Rule of Three.

1:49.0

So it basically has to do with that your brain can only hear three distinct things happening at once in music or with anything, really.

1:57.0

So it's kind of like your bandwidth is limited in your brain.

2:00.0

You can only really hear two conversations at once, two distinct conversations.

2:03.0

Some of it's like your Fiorat dinner, you can over here, like the couple next to you at the other table,

2:07.0

while saying somewhat present in your conversation.

2:10.0

So it's what the conscious brain can do. The brain is just optimized to handle these two discussions, which is that's really the maximum.

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