For years he wanted to be a speaker and he tells the story of like Billy Graham coming to I think it was arrowhead if I remember correctly

Someone drags in like mud I just get emotional thinking about it. And they're like, Josh, you got to clean that up.

And he's like, I'm not going to do this. And then finally he had a thought of like, if I'm not willing to do this,

you don't deserve any platform to reach people for the kingdom.

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So we've got John McDowell sitting across us in the studio. What are you thinking?

I love it when he's here. I feel like we have great conversation.

There's something too about legacy. I feel like we have great conversation.

There's something too about legacy.

When I see Sean, I think of Josh, his dad.

And here's what I'm thinking about you.

Me?

Yes, you, because I think Josh's work more than a carpenter the book that he

wrote evidence that demands a verdict were pivotal in your walk and journey with God.

No question about that.

We'll talk about that in a minute.

But Sean, welcome.

Oh, I wonder what you think when you come to the crew headquarters.

I mean, I'm probably a bit of the headquarters a few times but I've been coming to crew events and where it used to be in Fort Collins

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