Hey everybody, welcome back to another edition of the Mo news podcast.

Today we have a special interview with a great investigative reporter, his name is Walt

Bugdannich.

Yes, she spent time at 60 minutes, a CBS, he's now been an investigative reporter for a long

time at the New York Times, his most recent investigation lasted several years into the

world's most powerful and influential consulting firm McKinsey.

Some of you might have heard of McKinsey, some of you might know people who work there.

It certainly has gotten a lot of attention in recent years and he spent some time digging

into this mysterious world and a number of their clients, which range from China to

produce pharma to the CIA.

In fact, he says that McKinsey has more secrets than the CIA, so they were very difficult

to investigate, they can sell for corporations, they can sell for governments, sometimes

they're consulting for two sides, both sides at the same time as negotiations happen.

And so Walt breaks down what takes place there and in particular spent some time on their

consulting for Purdue pharma and the opioid crisis, their role in that the several hundred

million dollar fine they recently had to pay.

So we dive in to the good, the bad and the ugly with McKinsey with Walt here.

It's all the subject of his new book when McKinsey comes to town and I think everyone

will come away with some interesting perspective and what happens in some of the back rooms

and why some of the decisions that you see public, how they came to be and who's in the

room making these decisions.

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