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More Money Less Problems

Radiolab

WNYC Studios

Science, Natural Sciences, History, Society & Culture, Documentary

4.643.5K Ratings

🗓️ 15 January 2021

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Back in March 2020, when the COVID-19 pandemic was just beginning and the shelter-in-place orders brought the economy to a screeching halt, a quirky-but-clever idea to save the economy made its way up to some of the highest levels of government. Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib proposed an ambitious relief bill to keep the country’s metaphorical lights on: recurring payments to people to help them stay afloat during the crisis. And the way Congress would pay for it? By minting two platinum $1 trillion coins. (You read that right).

In this episode, we take a jaunt through the evolution of our currency, from the gold-backed bills of the 19th century, to the most powerful computer at the Federal Reserve. And we chase an idea that torpedoes what we thought was a fundamental law of economics. Can we actually just print more money?

This episode was reported by Becca Bressler and was produced by Becca Bressler and Simon Adler.

Special thanks to Carlos Mucha, Warren Mosler, David Cay Johnston, Alex Goldmark, Bryant Urstadt, and Amanda Aronczyk.

To learn more about these ideas check out:

Stephanie Kelton's book The Deficit Myth

Jacob Goldstein's book Money: The True Story of a Made-Up Thing and the Planet Money podcast

Betsey Stevenson's podcast Think Like an Economist

This website for more about #MintTheCoin

And for a fun quick read, check out this WIRED article about the surprising origin of the trillion dollar coin.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, I'm Chad Ipumarad, this is Radio Lab.

0:23.6

And today, producer Becca Bresler brings us a story about

0:29.9

money.

0:30.9

Yeah, so it's so and it actually kind of started like I feel like a lot more things are

0:37.4

starting at this show with a tweet and it's depressing, it's a depressing development.

0:43.0

It is depressing, but basically I saw this tweet that said, mint the f***ing coin.

0:49.1

Mint the coin?

0:50.5

The f***ing coin.

0:51.9

So the the coin?

0:54.2

Yeah, so I saw this tweet back in March when the economy was falling into a tailspin.

0:59.3

Yeah, I'm here.

1:00.3

And the government was talking about the first relief bill for people who were in danger

1:06.2

of losing their business.

1:07.7

Dad, hold on, I dropped my phone.

1:10.1

Okay.

1:11.1

Like my parents who happened to run a small business in California.

1:16.0

People knew that the amount of money they allocated wasn't nearly enough and the government

1:20.6

was going to run out of money.

1:21.9

You know, I felt tremendous pressure to get on it.

1:25.7

My dad told me it was really confusing, it wasn't exactly clear who you could get money

1:29.9

from.

1:30.9

He tried one bank than another, than another.

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