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Welcome to the Mona Charran show, so glad you could join us today. We are going to talk about a topic near and dear to my heart, something I've written a lot about, with one of the countries' leading experts on the subject. My guest is Bradford Wilcox, who is a sociology professor at the University of Virginia, and author

most recently of Get Married, Why Americans Must Defy the Elites, Forge Strong Families,

and Save Civilization.

He is also a senior fellow at the Institute for Family Studies.

Brad, thanks so much for coming on.

It's good to be here today, Marna.

So you had a piece recently in the Atlantic about how marriage is managing to hang on as an institution.

And some of the data are even slightly encouraging.

We've seen decades of declining marriage rates, rising divorce

rates, but you say there's some good news recently. Yeah, Mona. So really since the 1960s,

we've seen a kind of almost linear increase in single parenthood and a big increase in divorce from the 60s

to the early 80s.

But divorce has been kind of coming down, Mona, in recent decades, and nominal child

bearing has leveled off since 2009.

That just basically means that kind of we're seeing an uptick in the share of kids being

raised in married parent families. And this is a reversal

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