Hey, welcome to a more mama's boy episode. Glad you are here. This is your first one. I'm Steve Kramer. I do the show with my mom typically. Most episodes start with me and my mom. She's got the best words of wisdom. So if you are new for the first time,

hopefully you'll check out a couple more episodes because I think it's cute. My mom's

literally the best and that's why it's called

the certified mama's boy podcast.

And if this is your first time, I would love it

if you'd subscribe and check out a couple episodes

and maybe leave us a five-star review if we earned it.

I always say if we earned it it and then give us five stars.

Today though is a more mama's boy episode and I do these when there's just something

that kind of falls out of format for our typical show and I've been talking with my good friend Ellen

for a while about her and I getting together and doing an episode because her

and I are very similar spots when it comes to life.

Ellen is at a crazy 2020, to say the least,

with a job change, thinking that she is confident and ready to go start a new career path and then

coronavirus hits which like it hit us all but then with a situation with her dad that nobody

could have seen coming.

So let me introduce you to my friend Ellen Taylor,

and she's on next on the certified mama's boy podcast.

All right, so my guest today is a radio friend of mine that I've known for, when do we meet?

Was it in Phoenix at the time?

We were both in Country Radio.

Yeah, you were Phoenix. And this is my good friend, Ellen Taylor, who is, I think, one of the most amazing people on the planet.

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