In moments of great uncertainty and stress, it can help to take a step back and

examine the longer arc of innovation and where we are headed. In this episode from

October 2019, A16Z co-founder Mark Andres, and former editor-in-chief of A16Z and podcast showrunner

Sonal Chalki, bring on MIT economist and best-selling author Andrew McAfee to discuss why the

lessons of human growth in times past

from the Industrial Revolution onwards might not apply to our future and how both

human progress and preserving our environment might not be a zero-sum game.

This conversation is based on MacAfee's 2019 book, More From Less,

and the topics range broadly across many areas of growth,

from the future of energy and agriculture to the role of

capitalism and technology today and tomorrow and more.

Hi everyone welcome to the A6 and Z podcast. I am Sonal and I'm excited to do

another one of our co-hosted

episodes with Mark Andresen who joins me in interviewing MIT economist Andrew

McAfee who we've actually had on the podcast a couple years ago on a great

episode with his co-author Eric Bagnolson on their book

Machine Platform Crowd. But Andy's new book takes a very different turn from that previous

series of books and focus on the beam of bits to focusing on atoms, the physical world,

basically the environment. It's called more from less the surprising story of how we learn to prosper

using fewer resources and what happens next.

And I think it's a really important book contributing to the important dialogue we're having

right now on taking care of our planet and also of taking care of human progress, especially because these two don't have to be a

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