Hey, everyone, it's Reid. Before we get started, I just want to remind everybody to not get sucked into the magical thinking.

There's a whole bunch of folks in this country, whether or not they live in Washington, DC, or New York, work in the media, their big donors, they want you to think everything is normal.

It's not. Times have changed, and we have to change with them. This is not a fight guys between Republicans and Democrats.

This is a fight between those that believe in democracy and those that would tear it down. I need everybody to go to LincolnProject.us and sign up today to join this movement.

If we do it together, we have the opportunity to decide what tomorrow looks like, but we can't get to tomorrow unless we win today.

Thanks again, everybody, and now on with the show.

Welcome back to the LincolnProject. I'm your host, Reid Gaila. Today, I'm once again joined by Jeff Timber, Senior Advisor to the Lincoln Project, former Executive Director of the Michigan Republic Party,

and host of the podcast, a Republic, if you can keep it, wherever Fine Podcasts are found. Jeff, great to have you back.

I'm glad to be here, Reid. Listen, I want to talk a little bit today about Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis, and the early formation of a 2024 Republican field that has Donald Trump as sort of its centerpiece,

but we want to talk about these other folks. I want to talk about the GOP in general and how you see 2023.

I also want to spend a couple of minutes on some of the stuff we're seeing out of the Dominion Voting Systems Fox News thing.

But before we do any of that, I want to talk a little bit about something that's very close to your home and to your heart.

And that was the recent shooting at Michigan State University, where several kids were killed, several more were wounded.

I believe you are a Michigan State alum. And you have College Age, I think three College Age kids.

And so Michigan was also just a couple of years ago, had a school shooting at a high school, where a couple of kids died, including one who was brave enough to try and take on the shooter.

So I want to talk first and foremost, Jeff, as a Michiganer and a Spartan, how it feels when it comes that close to home.

And then I want to talk a little bit about what it feels like to be a parent of kids who are that age.

Mine are younger than yours, but get your sense politically how your kids in their cohort are seeing this.

I remember being on this broadcast, or perhaps it was one of the streaming ones lunch with Lincoln or something,

after there was a school shooting in Oxford, Michigan.

I remember talking to you after the shooting in Uvalde, Texas.

And I remember during each of those previous times talking about when is enough going to be enough.

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