AIDS care in its first years, it is this really interesting activist landscape where people are basically able to prove and show to every, you know, everyday people who might be ideologically all over the place on the political spectrum, that in fact, a right to housing and a right to medical care and actually getting people on Medicaid is a social good and a fiscal good.

And they're able to convincingly make that argument in large part because there's suddenly a real financial incentive to think about how sick people actually interact with the administrative state.

Yeah. sick people actually interact with the death panel.

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So today I am excited to be joined by a great guest.

Saloni Bauman is co-leader of the Asian American Feminist Collective and is a scholar and historian

who writes, thinks, and teaches about HIV AIDS, care, and intimacy.

Saloni, welcome to the death panel.

Thank you so much for having me.

I'm so excited to be here.

So I asked you on to talk about the political economy of housing in the early decades of the HIV-AIDS epidemic in New York.

And an article that you wrote in 2021 for a radical history review called For a Few Months of Peace, Housing and Care in the Early AIDS Crisis.

Before we specifically get into that, do you mind first talking through where you're coming from with

your work generally, much of which explores struggles for social provisions and the politics of care

work during that period. And I just

want to say that I really appreciate the way that you approach the work that you've done to just

carefully show some of the conflicts, contradictions, and what these like partial victories from

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