Houston, we have a podcast. Welcome to the official podcast of the NASA Johnson Space

Center, episode 297, Moon to Mars Architecture. I'm Gary Jordan. I'll be your host today.

On this podcast, we bring in the experts, scientists, engineers, and astronauts,

all to let you know what's going on in the world of human spaceflight and more.

We talk about NASA's Artemis missions quite a bit on this podcast.

Mostly, we talk about the near-term goals of establishing sustainable human presence

on the lunar surface through technologies and programs like the Orion spacecraft,

space-launch system rocket, gateway lunar orbiting platform, new lunar spacesuits,

landers, and more, including the interesting science on the moon.

Now, you might hear NASA say Moon to Mars, Moon to Mars, and you're like, okay, sure,

but that's not just a little hot from a moon to a planet. Exactly how NASA does this all fit together.

Earlier this year, NASA published the outcomes of its first architecture concept review,

including the architecture definition document that provides a deep dive into NASA's Moon

to Mars architecture approach and development process. A series of brief white papers address

frequently discussed exploration architecture topics as well. And NASA has already started its

process for its 2023 architecture concept review with plans for yearly reviews to incorporate

new technological capabilities and evolving objectives. A lot of terms there. And honestly,

these are just a few of the efforts and documents that NASA has posted on this subject.

It can be quite daunting to get a grasp on the whole thing. Well, luckily for this episode,

we're bringing in Kathy Kerner, Deputy Associate Administrator for the Exploration Systems Development

Mission Directorate at NASA's headquarters in Washington. She first started her career at NASA's

Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, then moving here to Houston for most of her career,

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