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Let's Find Common Ground

Monuments and Marriage. The Most Personal Lessons About Race: Errol & Tina Toulon and Caroline Randall Williams

Let's Find Common Ground

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🗓️ 2 September 2021

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

The need to find common ground for improving race relations has rarely been more urgent than it is today. In this episode, we share profound insights from an interracial couple and an African-American scholar and poet. Caroline Randall Williams wrote a widely-read opinion column for the New York Times that added fresh insight to the debate over Confederate monuments and how America remembers its past. As a Black southern woman with white ancestors, she brings an innovative and passionate first-person point of view. We also share the deeply personal story of Errol Toulon, the first African-American Sheriff of Suffolk County, New York, and his wife, Tina MacNicholl Toulon, a business development executive. She’s white. He’s black. Tina tells us what she’s learned since their marriage in 2016 about racism, “driving while Black,” and other indignities that are often part of a Black person’s daily life. This episode includes edited extracts from longer interviews that were first published in 2020.

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0:00.0

Within passion debates over criminal justice, economic equity,

0:04.8

black lives matter, and critical race theory and colleges and schools,

0:09.6

the need to find common ground among Americans has rarely been more urgent than it is today.

0:16.1

In this episode, we share personal insights from an interracial couple and an African-American

0:22.5

scholar and poet.

0:24.0

This is Let's Find Common Ground. I'm Richard Davies.

0:32.7

And I'm Ashley Melntite.

0:34.8

On this episode, we include extracts from two interviews we first released last summer.

0:40.2

Caroline Randall Williams wrote a widely read opinion column for the New York Times

0:44.6

that added fresh insight to the debate over Confederate monuments and how America remembers

0:50.0

its past. As a black Southern woman with white ancestors, she brings a passionate first-person

0:56.3

perspective. But first, we listened to the story of an interracial marriage. Errol Toulon was

1:02.9

elected as the first African-American sheriff of Suffolk County of New York. And his wife,

1:08.7

Tina McNichol Toulon, is a business development executive. She's white? He's black.

1:14.8

Both Tina and Errol believe that education is a vital ingredient in reaching a better

1:19.3

understanding about racism and the indignities that black Americans can face. I asked them how they

1:25.7

met. We met on match.com.

1:31.2

We actually took us a couple weeks before we met. But it was pretty instantaneous when we met.

1:38.1

I had been on match a long time. And I was the first person Errol met on match.

1:45.4

That's like me and my husband. Exactly same story. I had been doing online dating for ages

1:53.4

and having date after uninspiring date. And he had never been on a website before. And I was the first

2:00.8

person he went out on a date with. Exactly right. And I thought he was a fake profile because I didn't

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