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NPR's Book of the Day

'Monsters' examines fandom and how we consume art by morally compromised people

NPR's Book of the Day

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Books, Arts

4.2 β€’ 671 Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 1 August 2023

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

In the midst of the #MeToo movement in 2017, Claire Dederer posed a difficult question in The Paris Review: "What Do We Do With the Art of Monstrous Men?" From that viral essay comes her new book, Monsters, which examines how we morally engage with – or don't – musicians, authors and actors whose work we love, when we condemn their personal actions. In today's episode, Dederer tells NPR's Ayesha Rascoe how this question first arose for her around Roman Polanski movies, and how complex and personal it is to try to separate the art from the artist.

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Glenn Weldon, and this is NPR's Book of the Day. When a writer, actor, or

0:07.2

musician we love does something shocking, something we deplore, our reaction is up to us.

0:14.9

That's what people who reflectively complain about cancel culture don't get. There's not some

0:19.8

mass email that goes out telling everyone what to think.

0:24.1

The reply alls would never end, for one thing.

0:26.1

No, what there is is a lot of individual fans grappling in their own very different ways with how to process new information that can't help but change their relationship to an artist they identify with. Or maybe it

0:39.4

doesn't change it. The point is, it's nuanced, it's layered, it's fraught. That's what critic and

0:45.2

author Claire Dieter's new book, Monsters of Fans Dilemma, explores. Because it's all well and good

0:51.2

to talk about separating the art from the artist, but what if you just can't?

0:57.4

Dieter talked to Weekend Edition Sundays, Ayesha Roscoe.

1:00.8

In the U.S., national security news can feel far away from daily life.

1:05.5

Distant wars, murky conflicts, diplomacy behind closed doors on our new show, sources and methods. NPR

1:12.4

reporters on the ground bring you stories of real people helping you understand why distant

1:17.1

events matter here at home. Listen to sources and methods on the NPR app or wherever you get

1:22.9

your podcasts. Is it okay to enjoy art if its creator is compromised?

1:30.8

Maybe you love Michael Jackson's music.

1:38.0

Or you want to watch Woody Allen's Annie Hall.

1:41.7

A relationship, I think, is like a shock.

1:44.1

You know, it has to constantly move forward or it dies.

1:47.5

And I think what we got on our hands is a dead shock.

1:51.0

Or laugh at Bill Cosby.

1:52.9

And I look, and there was chocolate cake.

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