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Decoder with Nilay Patel

Monopoly isn’t a game (with Lina Khan)

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Business

4.33.2K Ratings

🗓️ 12 June 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Hey everyone, it’s Nilay. Decoder is on a short summer break right now, but we’ll be back starting June 23 with new episodes, and we’re very excited for what we have on the schedule.  In the meantime, we have an episode from the excellent podcast Stay Tuned with Preet, with host and former U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara. Last month, Preet sat down with former FTC Chair Lina Khan for a pretty high-level discussion about antitrust, monopoly power, and the ongoing shift from both political parties in the United States toward more aggressive, bipartisan regulation of Big Tech. I think you’ll find it really interesting.    Links:  Stay Tuned with Preet | Apple Podcasts Google loses ad tech monopoly case | Verge Judge greenlights FTC’s antitrust suit against Amazon | Verge Judge rules that Google ‘is a monopolist’ in US antitrust case | Verge Illegally fired FTC commissioners on Meta, bribes, and fighting for privacy | Decoder The case for breaking up Google has never been stronger | Decoder DOJ antitrust chief is ‘overjoyed’ after Google monopoly verdict | Decoder DOJ’s Kanter says the antitrust fight against Big Tech is just beginning  | Decoder Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.  The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey, everybody, it's Neely.

0:02.8

Decoder's on a short summer break right now, but we'll be back starting June 23rd with some new episodes, and we are very excited for what we have on the schedule.

0:09.5

In the meantime, we have an episode from the excellent podcast. Stay tuned with Preet.

0:13.0

Host Preet Barrara sat down with former FTC chair Lena Kahn for a pretty high-level discussion about antitrust, monopoly power, and the ongoing shift from

0:21.1

both political parties in the United States towards a more aggressive, bipartisan regulation

0:25.3

of big tech.

0:26.4

We've covered Lena's tenure at the FTC pretty closely here at the verge.

0:30.0

And as Dakota listeners know, we've had former DOJ antitrust chief Jonathan Cantor, who worked

0:34.5

in tandem with Lena in some of the biggest monopoly cases the government

0:37.5

has ever brought against Big Tech as a guest a number of times here on Decoder.

0:42.2

Here, Preet really dives into the history of how Lena's philosophy and antitrust evolved from

0:46.9

her time at law school and her perspective on the current slate of cases facing companies like

0:51.0

Amazon, Google, and META. I think you're really going to find this one interesting.

0:54.8

Okay, here's Preet Berara interviewing former FTC Charolina Khan on Stay Tuned with Prit.

0:59.9

Here we go.

1:00.9

From Cafe and the Vox Media Podcast Network, welcome to stay tuned.

1:06.6

I'm Prit Barara.

1:08.7

One of the biggest ways that we've seen anti-monopoly make such advances is because the evidence has been on our side.

1:16.4

We had a shortage of infant formula in this country in the year 2022 from a single contamination in a single factory.

1:38.4

That's Lena Khan. She made history in 2021 when President Biden appointed her as the youngest ever chair of the Federal Trade Commission at age 32.

1:45.8

During her time at the FTC, Khan accused big companies of using their power to push out competitors and hurt small businesses. Today, Lena Khan joins me to discuss the influential paper she wrote in law school

1:51.9

that launched her into the spotlight and paved her path to the FTC. We'll also explore the nature

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