Hello, my name is David Ronsman and this is Talking Politics. Last week Helen was telling

us about the tendency of all political systems to corrupt and today we're going to talk

about a very 21st century form of corruption, tax havens, money laundering and how the

rich get away with it.

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This week we have with us Oliver Bullow who is the author of the new book, I'm going

to give it its full title, Money Land, Why Thieves and Crooks Now Rule the World and How

to Take It Back, which is one of those excellent sub-plitles that tells you what's in the book,

it's had some fantastic reviews. Jason Charman is here, among his many books is one with

an equally good clear title, The Despots Guide to Wealth Management and Helen Thompson

is with us too, let's talk about corruption among other things.

So Money Land isn't a real place but it is a real place.

So we'll just start by and Jason can join in too because Jason knows a lot about what

tax havens they actually like when you visit them.

Let's get out for us or where it is and how you know when you visited it.

Well she, the idea Money Land came to me sort of whole, it wasn't quite on the toilet

but I was in a toilet in President Victor Yanikovic's hunting lodge outside Kiev in Ukraine

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