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MONEYBOMB, Part 6: Did A Federal Judge Sink Super PACs? (With Larry Lessig)

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News, News Commentary, Politics

4.8560 Ratings

🗓️ 13 November 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Maine overwhelmingly voted last year to end Super PACs. A federal judge blocked the ballot measure — but left a kill switch inside the ruling. Larry Lessig, a professor at Harvard Law School and head of the nonprofit Equal Citizens, is ready to flip that switch and take his case to the Supreme Court. In our final episode of Lever Time’s MONEYBOMB series, David Sirota speaks with Lessig about the legal battle against Super PACs and why he believes that we can stop Citizens United without touching it. To read more about Larry Lessig’s case against Super PACs, click here. ⁠Click here⁠ to order our new book, MASTER PLAN: The Hidden Plot to Legalize Corruption in America. Get ad-free episodes, bonus content and extended interviews by becoming a member at ⁠levernews.com/join⁠. To leave a tip for The Lever, ⁠click here⁠. It helps us do this kind of independent journalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This episode is part of our special series Moneybomb about the fight against Citizens United. If you'd like to hear our other

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Okay, on with the show. From the Lever's reader-supported newsroom, this is Levertime. I'm David

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Sarota. On an earlier episode of our mini-series

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Money Bomb, you heard about how New York City's system of publicly financed political campaigns

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