Hello, and welcome to Money Talks from Slate Money, our show where we talk to the most interesting and intelligent people in the world and get them to share their wisdom with us.

I'm Felix Salmon of Axios and today I am joined by Quinn Slobodeon. Quinn, welcome.

Very good to be here. Thank you.

Introduce yourself. Who are you?

I am a historian. I teach international history at are you? I am a historian.

I teach international history at Boston University.

And I also write books, some of them with more contemporary relevance.

Most recently, I wrote a book called Crack Up Capitalism, Market Radicals, and the Dream of a World Without Democracy.

And then before that, you wrote a book about the rise of neoliberalism.

Yep. Yeah, I wrote a book called Globalists, The End of Empire and the Birth of Neoliberalism,

which kind of went from the ashes of the Hopsburg Empire up to the foundation of the World Trade Organization.

This crack-up capitalism was kind of the sequel to that, like when the libertarians got sporally, kind of thing.

And now we have this whole new Trump era, and I cannot wait to get stuck in with you on the question of

the degree to which and even whether that changes anything.

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Let's fast forward through the Habsburgs and the World Trade Organization and get to the little sort of micro-states and free ports and all of the rest of it that were the subject of crack up capitalism.

There was a lot in your book about sort of Peter Thiel and seedsteading and this sort of dream of sort of capitalist autonomy. And we know that that

crowd, that Silicon Valley crowd, is incredibly influential in the current Trump administration.

So I guess that's a good place to start is like, where are we right now and do you see that

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