Hello, Wine Abbers. My name is Trent, and I am the producer of this show. Jesse and the rest of the team are hard at work right now, getting ready for

FanFest Minneapolis, which is coming up pretty soon in just about a week from now on June 13th.

So while they are busy making preparations, we're going to share with you an interview that

Jesse did recently on the Art of Being Well podcast with Dr. Will Cole. This is an interesting interview where Jesse

talks about the health impacts of money stress and how getting control of your money, and as we say

around here, learning to love the way you spend can have a real positive impact on your health

and well-being. So we hope you enjoy this interview, and we hope to see you very

soon at FanFest. By the way, if you have not gotten tickets yet for FanFest and you still want to go,

there are tickets still available. Just go to whineb.com slash events. Scroll down and you will

see a link to buy tickets for Minneapolis. We hope to see you there. Now let's get to the show.

80% of people live paycheck to paycheck. We know that the average checking account balance

sits around $450. What is a healthy relationship with money? How should we perceive it?

You know, pursuing money is supposedly bad, except then you examine your own time and you think,

holy cow, I spend an awful

lot of time pursuing this thing called money that I kind of low level despise. It's a dysfunctional

relationship, to say the least. You mentioned give every dollar a job. What do you mean by that?

It's, it is our, that's the only thing we teach. I have heard you talk about spendfulness, which sounds

like it's kind of connected to these principles.

Can you explain that term?

Jesse, welcome to The Art of Being Well.

Thanks for having me. I'm excited, well.

Yeah, man.

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