You're listening to CoinDesk's Money Reimagined with Michael Casey and Sheila Warren.

Hello and welcome to another edition of Money Reimagined. I'm Michael Casey and I'm here with my

co-host Sheila Warren. The two of us were in

Davos this past week. That's the place in Switzerland, the most stupid place in the world to have a

giant gathering of CEOs and people with security problems and everything else. It's really the

most impractical thing you could ever try to create. But it is a big institutional experience and has comes in for all sorts

of criticisms and experiences and so forth. And we can talk about that. But what we're going to do today,

Sheila, of course, is to talk about our interview with Michael Sonnonshine, who is the CEO of Grace Gowl and is in

the center of the news right now because of the ETF thing. But before I do that, let's remind everybody that this is Money Reimagined.

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Shealy, you can tell from my voice.

It's a little croaky.

This is routinely the case.

I want to come back from Davos, how are you shaping up?

Yeah, I mean, you know, jet lag coming down from altitude, all of the above.

But it's always a surprisingly, maybe that's offensive, but I do find it to be a surprisingly

productive week. And it is also something that I do think, for better or for worse, and there's arguments

on both sides, it does kind of calibrate and set the table for some of the conversations

that will happen over the course of the year.

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