Hello and welcome to a very special edition of Slate Money.

Normally your guide to the business and finance news of the week. I'm Felix

Salmon of Axios. I'm joined by Emily Peck of the Huff Post. We are joined in the studio by

Laurie Santos. You are the most popular professor at Yale University. Yes. No. I mean, you really are. Yes, by the numbers, yes.

And we have a whole slate plus segment just talking about the crazy that is tertiary education in

America right now. But mainly what we're going to do is talk to you about the connection between money and happiness and what direction the causality runs.

We're going to talk about wine because it's my show and I'm going to talk about wine.

We're going to talk about experiences.

And I think to kick us off, we're going to talk to Taffy Ackner about whether happiness is even something which we should be wanting in the first place.

All that coming up on Slate Money.

We are going to take advantage of the presence of Taffy Brodessa Ackner in the studio to explain her theory about why you shouldn't want to be happy.

It's not that I don't want to be happy.

It's that it is not the end goal.

It is more of an like an offshoot of the other things that I aspire for.

I aspire to.

I have a real like Calvinism in me that I aspire for. I aspire to.

I have a real like Calvinism in me that is about hard work and satisfaction.

But the feeling of happiness is not, is not my favorite feeling.

What's your favorite feeling? I really, I sometimes really love sadness and I am wild for anxiety. I am like,

I would snort anxiety through my nose if I could, and I hear you can, but I've never done that.

So is... Count your point.

So, Laurie, is this true? Is it actually a good idea to aspire to happiness?

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