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The Daily

Monday, June 12, 2017

The Daily

The New York Times

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🗓️ 12 June 2017

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

James Comey says he took it as a command. President Trump says he never even said it. We discuss the one word that an obstruction of justice case could turn on: “hope.” Guests: Adam Liptak, who covers the Supreme Court; David E. Sanger, who has been reporting on U.S. cyberattacks. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. For two weeks, we’re offering listeners a free trial of a New York Times digital subscription. Visit nytimes.com/dailytrial to sign up.

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0:00.0

From The New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is The Daily.

0:08.8

Today, James Comey says he took it as a command. President Trump says he never even said it.

0:16.0

The one word that an obstruction of justice case could turn on.

0:21.5

And the U.S. military has waged cyber attacks on Iran's nuclear program and North Korea's

0:28.0

missile systems. So why is it struggling to hack into the low tech computers of ISIS? It's Monday,

0:35.8

June 12th. Let's go to the Flynn issue. When former FBI director James Comey testified in front

0:46.9

of the Senate Intelligence Committee last week, he clearly stated under oath that he believed President

0:52.9

Trump had asked him to shut down an FBI investigation into his former national security adviser,

0:58.4

Michael Flynn. And so that's why I understood him to be saying that what he wanted me to do was drop

1:02.6

any investigation connected to Flynn's account of his conversations with the Russians.

1:08.0

That testimony reignited questions about whether the president has obstructed justice.

1:13.5

Some of that could hinge on word choice, one word in particular. Michael, I think the word is hope.

1:20.4

There's 28 words there that are in quotes and it says quote, I hope this is the president speaking.

1:26.0

I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope

1:33.0

you can let this go. Adam Littak, why did the word hope come up in this testimony?

1:40.4

Well, there was questioning about whether anyone had ever been convicted of obstruction of justice

1:45.9

merely because they'd hoped for an outcome. Right. Do you know of any case where a person

1:51.6

has been charged for obstruction of justice or for that matter any other criminal offense

1:57.8

where this they said or thought they hoped for an outcome?

2:03.4

I don't know well enough to answer and the reason I keep saying his words is

2:08.4

I took it as a direction. So there's two things to say about this. One is it's perfectly possible

2:14.4

to convey using the word I hope to a subordinate who's maybe hoping to keep his job.

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