This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka. That's me. I'm part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm talking to you from Vox Media headquarters in New York City. In a minute, we're going to go back in time to California.

We're Amanda Clute, who's the editor-in-chief of Eder, and I talk to David Chang, who runs the Momo Fuku Empire, and I have a giant, giant man crush on him. It's a very cool conversation. We talked about how David Chang built runs the Momo Fuku Empire and I have a giant giant man crush on him.

It's a very cool conversation. We talked about how David Chang built a restaurant empire,

how he's creating a media empire, really long and really frank and candid conversation about

Me Too and where someone like David Chang fits into that, where he's failed, where he's

trying to succeed. It's a very cool, real talk. I really enjoyed it. If you like this show, I ask you to go tell someone else about it. And here's a bonus ask for you. I don't usually make a bonus ask. But if you like this show, go check out Eater Upsil. It's hosted by Amanda and Daniel Geneen. It's Eater's flagship podcast covering food news, restaurant, culture,

and industry trends. It's very good. You will enjoy it. Okay, here's the conversation Amanda and I had

with David Chang at the Code Conference. So it's a smaller group here so so we can keep this a secret.

But I interviewed the CEO of 21st Century Fox yesterday,

an interview to Senator this morning, CEO of AT&T,

talk to the CEO of Spotify later.

This is the interview I'm most excited about.

So just between us.

But before we get there, I want to bring on Amanda Clluke, who's editor-in-chief of Eater, who's going to come with me. All right. Hi, Amanda. Hi, Peter. I brought on Amanda one because she knows her shit. She knows a lot more about food than I do. Also, she's less likely to be a fanboy. Yes. Hopefully I can stay objective in this. Just cooler. I'm just going to sort of freak out. I'm going to sit over here so it looks less of it. Should we explain who Dave Chang is? Do you guys know who Dave Chang is? All right, he's a very famous chef, owns a bunch of restaurants in America, Canada, Australia, has a Netflix show called

Ugly Delicious.

You may have seen.

He has a podcast.

He's a brand.

He's a brand.

He has a condiment line.

There's all kinds of things.

Yeah, check your bag for the condiments, I think.

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