I'm Lisa Yuso, a digital producer at Ideas, the podcast that likes to feed your curiosity.

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Hello, folks.

We are smack dab in the middle of the holidays.

And there's just under a week left to the year 2020.

God, it feels good saying that. As we all know,

2020 was the worst. But you know it's worse than 2020. Anal cancer. And our past guest, Ella, was a guest that we had on the show this year in

2020, this past summer. And Ella had the ability to find quite a bit of humor in her experience

of going through anal cancer.

And I've got to say, I commend that human for the ability to do so.

If Ella has the capacity to laugh in the face of her anal cancer,

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