This is where it gets exciting talking about these conversations because this is where we can get to change the generational impact.

And maybe some of what you and I are talking about will happen in our generation, maybe the next.

But I really make a big deal around my kids of me doing stuff like that, of leaving, because I want them to see that I

am not martyring myself in motherhood, because that's what I saw my mum do. And that's what I

try to decondition myself. It's so hard. So I think breaking that cycle is so important and it's

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So important.

And I mean, I never, my mother worked and she always complained about work.

But then she didn't retire until she was like 75 because she loved her work.

But she felt like she had to say to me that she didn't like it because she was working so

much. That's why for me, like I have two boys. I try to take them everywhere so they can see me.

And I don't walk out the door. I'm like, I'm so sorry I have to go on this trip. You know, I explain

why I have to go to the trip. Because it's the same. I don't want to create that same pattern that I grew up with. But you have to be

intentional. And this is why I think again, this moment is so powerful is you have to give people the

space to take a minute and examine how they were raised and how they're raising their children

and what it means for themselves. And again, I think that's why this is why I'm so powerful because I don't think we imagined

another way.

And it's also why so much of what we've been taught is so toxic.

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