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So many people listening will resonate with that sort of people pleasing energy.

Like if I say this, are they going to think that?

Or that person didn't smile at me on the school run.

Oh my God, was it because I didn't reply?

Or did I reply to the wrong?

When I've been researching you,

I get the feeling that you used to be in that place quite a lot.

And now you're not.

Tell me how you changed it.

Oh, my God. So yes, hugely, sometimes still, but much,

much less. But I mean, off the scale. I mean, my friends take the vis out of me so much.

Like, no one hates being called off more than me. I was the best person to be naughty with at school. I went

to an all-girls boarding school, but it was a nice one. I had that actually gave me confidence.

So I'm so sad that you had an awful time. It's such a formative time in your life. It's seven years,

and it's really impacts you. So I'm sure that some of those fuzzy balls are from that. So, yeah, I was a massive people-pleaser, but I just never got caught.

You know, if you want to go and have a cigarette down at Sportsville, take cherry.

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