What are you like as a mother? You talked about surrendering. And I heard you talk about this on another

podcast around that tendency that we can have as mothers to want to sort of micromanage and control

and be in everything. And you had this experience, didn't you? Where you couldn't do that.

Tell us about that and what that brought up for you.

Well, it's funny. I was just talking about it before this conversation because I was telling someone

a relatively new friend, actually, that didn't know me at the time where my back was the biggest

part of my life. And I actually said, God, before I met you, my bad back was my identity.

I was literally like a bad back was my identity.

I was literally like a person who was just hunched forward and limping and couldn't sit up.

And everything was just a problem because I was just in so much pain all the time.

And I'm over, ordinarily over everything in the household.

So I'm over the kids, what they eat, the family. I'm over what everybody kind of does. I mean, I think my husband just trusts that I'm like quite a good

at decision making around that stuff. We do talk about most things together. Well, we do talk

everything together in terms of how we want to raise them and things like that. But I can be

quite controlling around stuff. And I think it's to everybody's benefit at times, to be honest with

you, because otherwise you can see like, oh God, yeah, if they don't go to bed at a certain time,

we know we're dealing with that a week later or whatever, you know. So I would say that

although the one area I don't micromanages arts and crafts,

which is lucky because I did write a book on that, I'm quite relaxed about that stuff,

much more so than my husband who just gets absolutely like, oh my God, they've got scissors.

Oh, no.

I'm very relaxed about them finding their own creative flow and stuff, which does result

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